Did you vote for Obama?? Blind Poll!!!

[BalloonzForU]

Come on take this convo to another thread and keep this about who you voted for!!!

 

[robin]

MCCAIN!

 

[Haligren]

Everyone complains about Obama and how he's not doing anything that he set out to do. Atleast he is trying. But I guess people don't get honorable mentions for trying. You can only please some of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time, to paraphrase Pres. Theodore Roosevelt. At least he's trying to get things done on some major issues. As a former resident American - who still has family in the States - these issues are important to me. You guys should be grateful you don't have Prime Minister Stephen Harper as president. I'd gladly trade him for Obama any day. All the Canadian government does is argue with each other and threaten elections. I guess that's one thing I miss about America; this crap would never fly there. lol

 

[BalloonzForU]

Everyone complains about Obama and how he's not doing anything that he set out to do. Atleast he is trying. But I guess people don't get honorable mentions for trying. You can only please some of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time, to paraphrase Pres. Theodore Roosevelt. At least he's trying to get things done on some major issues. As a former resident American - who still has family in the States - these issues are important to me. You guys should be grateful you don't have Prime Minister Stephen Harper as president. I'd gladly trade him for Obama any day. All the Canadian government does is argue with each other and threaten elections. I guess that's one thing I miss about America; this crap would never fly there. lol

It's not that he's not getting anything done, most presidents at least try to get their own agenda into play right off the bat. The reason why he's not liked by some are his beliefs and ideas for changing this country, not that he can't get things done, but it's what he wants to do that's the issue! :main_thumbsdown:

What you said about not being alble to please everyone is very true. I believe that 99.99% of Americans can find at least one or two things that was good or bad about any past president, it's how they feel about them as a whole that matters.

For the most part I hate all politicians because they are all about their own agendas without asking the majority of Americans what WE want for OUR country. They supose to be here for US, not to sit back and tax us and collect our hard earned cash and do nothing for us in return, as they do. :main_thumbsdown:

Do you know the "average" American pays about 40-50% of their yearly earning just on taxes. I'm talking about all the taxes combined, income (fed/state/city), sales tax, property tax, etc.

 

[herpnewb12]

Do you know the "average" American pays about 40-50% of their yearly earning just on taxes. I'm talking about all the taxes combined, income (fed/state/city), sales tax, property tax, etc.

Really? Wow. I'd like to see how Europe compares, because I know they pay higher taxes, but they get more out of it too.

 

[Ehatcher]

I think im going to drop out of college and quit my job, and suck off of all of you who have have jobs and pay taxes...That's what he is encouraging anyways right?

I guess you you can tell who i voted for...

 

[Daidra]

I voted No.I am a strong Republican and will never vote democrat as long as I live,he makes me want to hurl,HaHa

 

[robin]

let's make it simple

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before,
but had once failed an entire class.

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That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.


The professor then said, "OK,
we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan".


All grades would be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade so no one would fail and no one would receive an A.


After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B.
The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy.


As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.
The second test average was a D!
No one was happy.


When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

The scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.


All failed, to their great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.


Could not be any simpler than that.

 

[robin]

Really? Wow. I'd like to see how Europe compares, because I know they pay higher taxes, but they get more out of it too.

well first off they are in DEEP debt, second of all i have a friend from England. the have the NHS there. yes they have "free" health care but they more than pay for it in taxes and they are still in deep debt. you have a problem? you have to wait in line because it someone else's problem is worse than yours you wait, not just days, not weeks some times MONTHS many months.

i had another friend in New Zealand who nearly died because she had a gal stone the size of a kiwi fruit she also had sludge when was starting to block her bial duct to her pancreas. she was starting to get pancriutitus. she waited 6 months just to get her gal bladder removed. then they botched the surgery and she has some kind leg problem and some paralysis. she can not sue and does not get any monetary compensation. she is now completely disabled.

i know of another woman who has very large breast so large that her back is so messed up she can not work. (she is not over weight or anything) the govt refuses to let her have a breast reduction. if she had one she could actually rehabilitate and work. this lady is from the Netherlands.

is that the kind of heath care you want?

 

[LizMarie]

i know of another woman who has very large breast so large that her back is so messed up she can not work. (she is not over weight or anything) the govt refuses to let her have a breast reduction. if she had one she could actually rehabilitate and work. this lady is from the Netherlands.

is that the kind of heath care you want?

NO offense but doesn't that happen in the US as well..?

I heard about this woman that had a condition in which if she became pregnant her body would attack the fetus treating it like an infection,etc. So she decided to get a hysterectomy because she didn't want to cause her baby or herself any heart break if she accidently got pregnant. She went and got a hysterectomy because her insurance "claimed" to have covered it. She got it done and a month later she gets a nice $13,000 + bill for the procedure because the insurance refused to pay for it because it was an elective procedure which they didn't cover.

Or when my mom that makes $20,000 didn't qualify for Medicaid and isn't offered insurance through her job. She knows the importance of medical coverage and was able to get a small affordable plan and after a month is it was put on hold because of some paper they misplaced. My mom went without insurance for a good 2months and within those two months had a miscarriage where she had to have a procedure to remove the remainder with an over night stay and two weeks later she had a nervous break-down where she had to spend a manditory 3days in a mental ward.

Would have been of her insurance to tell her about the issue BEFORE hand because it was a nice surprise to receive $15,000 bill.. and the fact that they kept harassing her wasn't fun either..

Now is that the type of insurance any of us want? No but it's what semi-affordable since we couldn't afford our other insurance that raised their prices to a few $100 a month. Is that fair no but it's what happens in the US each and everyday. Is the NHS perfect NO is our healthcare perfect hell no but I think we should have options and everyone should have at least basic healthcare and build up their packages that should at least have reasonible prices.

 

[robin]

i understand but what i am saying nationalized medicine is not the way to go. make it mandatory for companies to offer insurance to all employees at reasonable prices. i do think we should have options too but complete national health care? no
one thing i would like to bring up. if our government can not get medicaid and medicare to work how will they be able to get nationalized medicine to work?

 

[ILoveGeckos14]

I voted No.I am a strong Republican and will never vote democrat as long as I live,he makes me want to hurl,HaHa

"These distinguished leaders understand that health insurance reform isn’t a Democratic issue or a Republican issue, but an American issue that demands a solution," President Obama said. "Still, there are some in Washington today who seem determined to play the same old partisan politics, working to score political points, even if it means burdening this country with an unsustainable status quo."

I used this quote because as long as we are more interested in what "side" people are on instead of who they are as a person then we will always have these elections where we find ourselves picking between the lesser of two jerks. Bob Dole is a republican and he is trying to get other republicans to support Obama's healthcare plan. Not to say that I am for that, it just goes to show that the lines aren't as clear as everyone would choose to believe.
I think a lot of gay people voted democrat this election just because democrats are traditionally more liberal but come to find out they were not for gay marriage at all, just like the republican ticket.

Besides if the general populous paid more attention to lower level (local) politics these scumbags wouldn't be able to work their way to the top. They treat it as if the presidential election is your main chance to have your voice heard but realistically that statement is more true about your state/local government. They would never pour billions of dollars into a "rock the local vote" campaign because they don't want a strong community or for us to pay attention to what is going on. That would jeopardize their agenda and you would also be cognizant of their political history.

 

[snowgyre]

Well said, Jeanene. As with all things, if the foundation is unsound, how can we expect the top floor of a building to be steady? Vote in local elections, get good people in office, and maybe you'll be less frustrated with Congressional or Presidential candidates in the future.

Voting on party lines for the sake of just voting on party lines is silly, misguided, and lazy. Be responsible, do your homework, and stop treating politics like it's a college football game. Would you vote for Darth Vader just because his light saber is red?

 

[Haligren]

Would you vote for Darth Vader just because his light saber is red?

Maybe...if he also had cookies.

 

[Khrysty]

It's not that he's not getting anything done, most presidents at least try to get their own agenda into play right off the bat. The reason why he's not liked by some are his beliefs and ideas for changing this country, not that he can't get things done, but it's what he wants to do that's the issue! :main_thumbsdown:

What you said about not being alble to please everyone is very true. I believe that 99.99% of Americans can find at least one or two things that was good or bad about any past president, it's how they feel about them as a whole that matters.

For the most part I hate all politicians because they are all about their own agendas without asking the majority of Americans what WE want for OUR country. They supose to be here for US, not to sit back and tax us and collect our hard earned cash and do nothing for us in return, as they do. :main_thumbsdown:

Do you know the "average" American pays about 40-50% of their yearly earning just on taxes. I'm talking about all the taxes combined, income (fed/state/city), sales tax, property tax, etc.

Fe, I mean, can you really say you hate all politicians? This sort of system..it's what our whole country is based on. Granted, it's what we thought would work when we broke off from England, and I honestly don't believe it's what works now, but it's the sort of system we have. Without politicians, we wouldn't have a government--at least not the government we have now.

There is a clause in the constitution that says something akin to: If the government no longer works for the people, it's the people's job to change it. Revolution time? Perhaps.

Either way...saying that this politician, or that one, or all, are bad people..doesn't do much for anyone.

Don't be a hata

 

[herpnewb12]

well first off they are in DEEP debt, second of all i have a friend from England. the have the NHS there. yes they have "free" health care but they more than pay for it in taxes and they are still in deep debt. you have a problem? you have to wait in line because it someone else's problem is worse than yours you wait, not just days, not weeks some times MONTHS many months.

i had another friend in New Zealand who nearly died because she had a gal stone the size of a kiwi fruit she also had sludge when was starting to block her bial duct to her pancreas. she was starting to get pancriutitus. she waited 6 months just to get her gal bladder removed. then they botched the surgery and she has some kind leg problem and some paralysis. she can not sue and does not get any monetary compensation. she is now completely disabled.

i know of another woman who has very large breast so large that her back is so messed up she can not work. (she is not over weight or anything) the govt refuses to let her have a breast reduction. if she had one she could actually rehabilitate and work. this lady is from the Netherlands.

is that the kind of heath care you want?

I always hear these kinds of stories from people who have friends in the UK, Canada, etc. How is it then that I hear directly from many more people in these places that they don't have these problems, and instead it's just hyperbole used to scare people away from any form of socialized medicine. While I won't say that either way is perfect, but what we have now isn't cutting it. American medical care, while the technology and the knowledge is there, is one of the worst of developed countries. This is all a bit pointless though, because the talk is of a government OPTION, not complete government take over of health care.

And I'm sorry, but your example of socialism in the classroom doesn't really work like that. It's all about the mindset you enter it in. I hate to say it but this metaphorical net that people speak of comes very much so from a capitalistic mindset. People see socialism and communism as this system where "Oh, I'll get what I need, I automatically don't have to work for it." Obviously this isn't the standard mindset, or the EU wouldn't have such a strong currency, and such a strong economy as a whole. If people looked at this net and just stopped trying, Europe wouldn't have gotten to where it is today. Maybe there's something to say that they're coming out of this recession faster than we are? I guess it ultimately comes down to the difference between being a leech, and being a productive member of a society. I don't really care who this turns against me, but I consider myself to be pretty much a communist. To me it isn't just an economic theory either, it should be a state of mind. I won't elaborate further unless asked to, but step out of our shoes before we start criticizing something.

 

[Khrysty]

I always hear these kinds of stories from people who have friends in the UK, Canada, etc. How is it then that I hear directly from many more people in these places that they don't have these problems, and instead it's just hyperbole used to scare people away from any form of socialized medicine. While I won't say that either way is perfect, but what we have now isn't cutting it. American medical care, while the technology and the knowledge is there, is one of the worst of developed countries. This is all a bit pointless though, because the talk is of a government OPTION, not complete government take over of health care.

And I'm sorry, but your example of socialism in the classroom doesn't really work like that. It's all about the mindset you enter it in. I hate to say it but this metaphorical net that people speak of comes very much so from a capitalistic mindset. People see socialism and communism as this system where "Oh, I'll get what I need, I automatically don't have to work for it." Obviously this isn't the standard mindset, or the EU wouldn't have such a strong currency, and such a strong economy as a whole. If people looked at this net and just stopped trying, Europe wouldn't have gotten to where it is today. Maybe there's something to say that they're coming out of this recession faster than we are? I guess it ultimately comes down to the difference between being a leech, and being a productive member of a society. I don't really care who this turns against me, but I consider myself to be pretty much a communist. To me it isn't just an economic theory either, it should be a state of mind. I won't elaborate further unless asked to, but step out of our shoes before we start criticizing something.

It's nice to hear someone else say "communist" and be entirely serious about it. I think if communism is done right...it's definitely preferable. The problem is just that we're human, and inevitably someone's going to ruin the system. With any system.

 

[Daidra]

it is real funny how alot of people elected him on skin color but guess what he is not even black,can you say terrorists as that is apart of him and his health plan can shove it up you know where and we as a nation are paying for him and his family to go all around the world for vacation,I don't care what anybody else thinks as I will never vote a Democrat and I will never give them the time of day,say what you want I don't care and never will.

 

[herpnewb12]

It's nice to hear someone else say "communist" and be entirely serious about it. I think if communism is done right...it's definitely preferable. The problem is just that we're human, and inevitably someone's going to ruin the system. With any system.

Yeah, it could work, you just have to raise people to think of more than themselves. Communism is all about working for the good of all, not just yourself. It's about sharing, everything from the things we produce, to the knowledge we have.

And to those who criticize socialism (I don't remember where this was brought up, here or elsewhere)...But would you prefer we did away with public schools, libraries, theaters, the police, fire departments, ambulance services, public hospitals, etc. ?

 

[Khrysty]

it is real funny how alot of people elected him on skin color but guess what he is not even black,can you say terrorists as that is apart of him and his health plan can shove it up you know where and we as a nation are paying for him and his family to go all around the world for vacation,I don't care what anybody else thinks as I will never vote a Democrat and I will never give them the time of day,say what you want I don't care and never will.

One giant run-on sentence is no way to prove a point :/
That being said, I just want to address some things you brought up:

"alot of people elected him on skin color" Are you sure about that? Nearly everyone I know that voted for him (despite THEIR skin color) voted for him because they believed he'd make a positive change, because he wasn't going to continue the "Bush administration," or because he was just charismatic enough to get to them. I don't know, perhaps racism isn't as prominent where I live..

"can you say terrorists as that is apart of him" Um..what? Did you really just call the president of the United States a terrorist? Granted, I've made cases that the war we're in is a terrorist act...but to say that the president himself is a terrorist. I mean, what do you have to base that on?

"we as a nation are paying for him and his family to go all around the world for vacation" Other presidents traveled with their families as well. Was it wrong for all of them, or just for Obama because you don't like him?

"I don't care what anybody else thinks as I will never vote a Democrat and I will never give them the time of day,say what you want I don't care and never will." I'm sorry, but this just screams ignorance. Deciding who to vote for purely based on their party is just plain stupid, IMO. I'm not attacking you, personally, mind you...I'm just saying that in general, voting should require a lot more thought than what political affiliation the candidates have. Especially considering the fact that sometimes the issues aren't all that cut-and-dry.

That being said, I'm not defending Obama anymore than I'm attacking him. I'm just asking you to consider what you're saying before you speak (or in this case, type). Rants don't prove points. And when you don't prove a point, it's hard to get people to listen to what you're saying. And if you don't want people to listen to you then...why are you talking, ya know?